Leslie Helpert, Composer, Performer, Voice Coach, Wellness Therapist

Scaling Up Services - Leslie Helpert

Leslie Helpert, Composer, Performer, Voice Coach, Wellness Therapist

Helpert entered the world singing, began on piano and found the guitar by age 11, on which she fixated. She began performing and recording in her teens; studied Jazz at The Berklee College of Music in Boston and later Indigenous Music at The Naropa University in Colorado, she holds a Master's in Music
Performance from The Berklee College of Music in Performance Technique with a focus on Holistic Productivity. Helpert has performed in over 300 Venues from France to Morocco, San Francisco to Montreal, and written hundreds of compositions.

Home-based in Manhattan, Helpert shares --in person and virtually--her 20+ years having developed a powerful modality of voice-work called Therapeutic Vocal Performance Technique. She supports all voices, from High Functioning Executives, TED speakers, Eurovision Winners, to those in critical condition or moving through grief, supporting clients' most empowered, clear expressivity and creative lives.



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[00:00:58] Welcome, everyone. This is Scaling Up Services, I’m Bruce Eckfeldt. I'm your host. And our guest today is Leslie Helpert and she is a voice coach, a composer and artist, longtime performer. We're going to talk with her a little bit about the work that she has done, helping people with the voice and the programs she's developed and the work she's done with executives, leaders, professionals, and helping them use the voice more effectively and just about everything that they do. She's also a developer of a program, the therapeutic vocal performance technique, which helps her do her work. I'm going to learn more about that fascinating conversation. I think this is gonna be really interesting for folks. I think a lot of a lot of folks on this podcast have talked to have worked with kind of presentation coaches. But this is a whole nother level and it's a whole nother level that really will affect everything that you do. So excited for this. With that. Leslie, welcome to the program.

[00:01:45] Hi, Bruce. Thanks for the introduction. That was really great.

[00:01:49] You're welcome. So what do we start with background? Just because I think it's really important for people to understand what we kind of professionally, personally, like, what space you're coming out of, how you got into this space. It's fascinating. But also, I think it's a great it's a great understanding of what what work you do now and why you do it and why it's so interesting and so important. So so let's go back. What would it what is what is your background and how do you get into this? Yeah, my family.

[00:02:17] Let's see. I grew up in a family that moved around the United States often. So I think in retrospect, that kind of threw me into the position of needing to feel like I could communicate effectively in a variety of cultures. And my earliest memory, I fell in love with making music.

[00:02:37] I just was 4 years old, first experience of singing and feeling this incredible, wonderful connection.

[00:02:46] And I just said, okay, I'm going to be a singer, I'm going to be a musician. And aside from a cool couple years of wanting to be like a psychologist or marine biologist. Gardner Yeah. Wilson CIA or something. I stuck with musician and I started playing guitar when I was eleven and after starting piano at around four and then yes, and into my collegiate years, my undergrad degree I spent in Boston, the Berklee College of Music.

[00:03:13] And that ended up also spending time at the Bureau of the University, where I changed my focus of understanding music through kind of more contemporary lens and looking at the way that traditional indigenous cultures have utilized the power of narrative and sound.

[00:03:30] And now. Yeah. So that you know, it's interesting though, because even though I eventually went back to get a master's degree and really honor the opportunity to have education, I think that most of the learning that I've done, a lot of it kind of happened from spending a couple of decades performing, being on the road and with the voices. So that's kind of one one piece of the long winded journey.

[00:03:59] Well, I think it's interesting.

[00:04:00] So I think it's this combination of the study, the performance, and I can only imagine the kind of life experiences that being an artist, being a musician, you know, gave you in terms of understanding people and presence and connection. And so I think that's both kind of technically and experientially fascinating, fascinating background. And I'm I'm interested to work with sort of indigenous cultures and music. And so, I mean, it seems like I can imagine that tells you a lot about culture and about how, you know, how cultures sort of develop around music. And, you know, just as we look at company cultures, I mean, culture is this kind of buzzword or hot word inside companies in the business community. But in some respects, I think that's kind of the fundamentals is, you know, understanding people's music and how music and how they develop music, how they develop, you know, stories. And the connection of all that is still true is a study of culture.

[00:04:50] Yes.

[00:04:51] And also to look at, for example, in traditional Vedic culture, language was developed around frequency and vibration.

[00:05:01] So my language, even though Sanskrit isn't really an active language in India, but that, you know, that language in itself is an embodiment of intention and integrity and it has its own kind of placement in the body. So it's really. Beautiful that because later on in my life performing, I ended up living in Europe for about 10 years and just getting to kind of feel what inflection and sound is like for you.

[00:05:32] And then an understanding kind of how I guess I come from a very holistic perspective. So understanding how sound effects are nervous system and just how important the voice actually is when we're sharing our most heartfelt feeling in business or elsewhere.

[00:05:49] And I'll I'll disclose to our listening audience that I had the pleasure of spending about an hour or so with Lesley and going through some of some of the work that she does.

[00:05:58] And I must say, I was very impressed and it was very insightful, just sort of going from this. What is the voice, you know, starting with the kind of this voice is being this tool that I use to communicate a sound from my head to somebody else's head and trying to communicate this this idea to really being a connection to the whole body and to the space around the body. And I was just it was it was a really interesting experience. And I certainly got the kind of the switch from me or the transition for me thinking about, you know, my voice as this communication tool, that really being kind of a fundamental part of who I am and a tool to connect with everything.

[00:06:33] And it was really it was really interesting. So I've had a chance to do it in person so I can kind of speak to it at a level nother level or at least haven't gone through it. I know it's tough to do it on a podcast here, but let's talk a little bit about the technique, because I think you have kind of taken all this in and developed a way of working with people, therapeutic vocal performance technique. What is this? What do you mean by. What is it? What is it? What is it doing or what is it?

[00:06:57] What was its intention and how do you put it together for so long in the realm of music? Like a lot of other subjects, music has kind of been specialized into different idioms.

[00:07:08] So where there's music therapy that has been largely directed toward people who are suffering or of a certain age, demographic, whatever. And then there's like performance which has often been like in the concert hall with a bunch of like, you know, rough and tumble people out till all hours of the night. Both are awesome. But to me, what I started to really experience working with so many voices in my own is that the art of feeling and awakening the voice and connecting to our own sound, whether we're performing or considering it was strictly receptive, therapeutic experience. They're very much one in this scene. So the idea is that how this translates into the world of professional people is that so often we come home from a long day of work. Having spoken to many people, if you know, communicating is is prevalent in our particular field and our voice feels tired and we feel drained and exhausted and they're there. It's pretty amazing how when we learn how to support the voice and how we can really keep our energy level and our stamina and our rate of respiration very much in check and kind of in a transformed, wonderful, creatively accessible space.

[00:08:28] So the voices of kind of waking up everything and mean, you know, this is definitely not my epiphany alone. If we look at almost every kind of science or even like everything from a spiritual or kind of what would I say, like creation story, perspective, sound, frequency, vibration, it's at the heart of every atom. And so when what I've really learned, especially studying science, pretty hard core, that's like my my personal life kind of where I'm where my mind is a lot. And I'm understanding, well, how does the physics of my voice operate and how in the wake of technology and innovation, is my own biological innovation and technology going to support this kind of, you know, very mechanical technological feature that we're we're creating? What is my voice and happen when we start looking at the evolution of our species through our ability to have certain sounds that separated us from Neanderthals and other species in our genus, then we can start to understand that the voice was kind of our first technology and it's kind of all gone from there. And even like technology as it continues is sort of furthering the power of our voice.

[00:09:47] What do we want to say or do we want to say to you? How fast do we want to say? And the great thing about learning how to feel and to our own instrument is that we kind of can create what I've seen people get to create is a depth experience. So rather than being like, well, where are we going? It's kind of like arriving into the feeling of where we are. And so I've just found it's really complementary kind of to every field.

[00:10:13] Well, and I like that sort of this idea came got camera, exactly what the numbers are. But, you know, the communication, you know, only 20 percent or something of our. Medications, other words were saying so much for so much more of it as our body language and the way in which we say sort of more tonality and the pace and the rhythm and the kind of nuance that we're giving to the words. I think that that is underappreciated. It's not great. Does we we're always focused on what is the word that we're saying or what is what is the kind of linguistic communication we're trying to have rather than the kind of tonal or the body language or all the other things that go along with it. Can you talk a little bit about some of the. So taking this to the people, being effective leaders, managers, professionals, communicators? You know, I think that, you know, we're the professional world is full of people trying to communicate in different ways. How does this show up or how have you found? You know, taking all this knowledge and these ideas that you've been able to develop as performers and artists, taking them to professional? Well, where does it show up? How does this how does this manifest itself in the work that you do in so many ways?

[00:11:17] And one of the first little pieces that come to mind, which isn't like at the very top or the most central. But I think a kind of interesting point in case is that I think all of us, from what I hear, even the most secure, sophisticated genius minds have moments of questioning. Should I have said that? And.

[00:11:36] And the interesting facet about that, when people come in to see me, a lot of times their concerns around their voice are very much like psychological or or mentally oriented, where they might say, I feel really insecure when I'm speaking to my partner, but I go in and like a baller at work. And I don't know why I can't communicate. Or I notice my voice changes when I'm speaking with certain colleagues and I become really uncomfortable. I don't know why or I have a spasm in my throat or my gut clenches when I go to communicate.

[00:12:15] And a lot of times people are talking up their own imperfections to this. And it's because I'm insecure or it's because I don't feel confident or I'm not comfortable with.

[00:12:26] But the amazing thing is, is when we start to understand that our voice is an instrument, a machine, we can actually begin to learn very logistic operational specifics about how to finesse this machine that we're using to indicate or basically just like these big windmill water mill natural resource machines that are bringing in a bunch of breath into our body and the exhalation. It's sort of like blowing through a blade of grass. And so when we start to understand, like how the breath can work in the body and it's not I mean, that can sound so simple. Okay. We'll just breathe more. It's not about dream. It's about recognizing like where we hold our attentions and how to literally shift those because sound itself is movement. So the fascinating thing about using voice to kind of open and relax the body and become more comfortable is that the voice actually just kind of moves everything in the body that's been kind of stagnant, stuck in flame. And then one more piece about that is that when people start to understand the mechanistic of their voice, the like, highest amazing levels, I think of the work is when we can start realizing, well, I think this is important for everybody, you know, all people. So often we show up and it and it's like we put our best foot forward. We bring our best to the table. We leave like whatever personal strength struggles we'd had earlier that day or how we might be feeling like a side and try to really focus on the energy we want to bring.

[00:14:02] But the great thing about the voice is, you know, and I'll just interrupt to kind of give an example, because it's better in a story form, like the first blues singer when she rich the blues out of her body and stuns the audience and brought everybody onto their feet crying and applause. She wasn't like, hi, it's really nice to see. She she's like, braved the winter. She couldn't freakin deny it anymore. Probably. I mean, I have like creating this woman in my head, but she felt into her rib cage, into our solar plexus and she got underneath it. And that's what supporting the voice is. It literally is like getting underneath your energy, you rooting it down and really in a strange way. And, you know, I'm a kind of poet nature girl or whatever is only feeding that fear is power. And the earth wants your expression is when we actually can touch into the full spectrum of all our energy and emotion. Eventually we learn how to finesse that and effectively share what you know is vulnerability. And people respond to that. Like I was just saying that I knew a man once for five years. He had the most wonderful resumé and wealth and opportunity. But I finally one day I saw. Cry hysterically. And that was when I trusted him. And I think that's what this does. It allows us to trust each other.

[00:15:29] And you're kind of mentioning this in the beginning. And I'm curious, you know, how much this is the case that, you know, people come to you saying, oh, well, when I get into this situation, I I don't feel confident and therefore, my voice changes or I might go higher. I have a spouse. And how much of this is actually the reverse of through kind of proper treatment or proper use of the voice actually drives the confidence. Like, is it like is this my like, I have little confidence, therefore it impacts my voice or is because of the way I'm using my voice, impact my confidence. And if I change my voice, if I change the way I think about my voice, that actually will drive the confidence.

[00:16:08] Oh, my gosh. Ding, ding, ding. Yes, yes, yes, yes. My. To me, that's like so great. It reminds me of this cool practice that I read about it everywhere.

[00:16:18] But it was sort of like put the emotion before the experience, right? Yeah. So I remember like walking around Jamaica Pond in Jamaica Plains in Boston a couple winters ago and it's so cold. And everybody I was with kind of seemed miserable to be outside. And I just decided to see what happened if I ran down the sidewalk and started to cheer like I had just won like five trillion dollars or a gold medal, which I love. I was like, oh, I just jumped up and down and literally for like two hours afterwards, I felt great. Was like, amazing that, you know, and I know that there are a lot of people who speak about, you know, neuropsychology and getting why or learning how to wire our brain for happiness. But I think that, yes, when we take that kind of practice and then we bring the voice to it, not only can we shift the mindset, but then also we can drop into the body differently. So, for example, and this is kind of like a interesting topic, but, you know, women particularly, I think have sometimes felt uncomfortable to relax into. I know as a woman I'll just speak for myself and others I've worked with that it can be hard to kind of like really stand in awareness of our whole full body because maybe in the past it hasn't been safe for it's been interpreted by society as one thing or another.

[00:17:41] But there's such a difference for me as a woman to, for example, speak to you like anyway. Bruce So I was thinking this awful look on my shoulders and my mood was in my head versus selling my pace down a little. The feeling the back of my tongue, the epic glottal area. This is a giant place for general numbness people. And then like kind of slowing it down, listening to where I am and speaking down to the resonant chamber of my body, which includes my hips and my legs and my whole body. So it changes my experience where I think for a lot of people, I don't know if you can relate to this. Tell me, I'm curious where, you know, you've been with somebody you love. Like, if you can think back to like a first date moment, even where you're like so psyched, you know, you're really into somebody. But like, it's too exciting that you can't relax your voice and say, yeah.

[00:18:36] Now, my classic is having grown up in Minnesota, we've got this nasty habit of accelerating the pace in which we talk. So usually what I get kind of excited and, you know, whether it's in any kind of situation, my risk is that I start talking too fast or stumbling over my own words.

[00:18:53] I got me to lately because also, like what I'm kind of like a hypocrite right now. We get as a vocal advocate, I also work around nutritionally with the best things are or their voice because I'll sometimes work with people who are. I'm set a lot of performing. The last thing they really want to do is like get up to sing on the voice and have a bunch of saliva, you know? So learning how the best ways to take care of the voice and caffeine has kind of always been like the thing that I know is not that awesome for me. And I don't know very many other people who can do like a ton of caffeine and feel like their voices is like the best ever. It's interesting because it also, you know, it's like New York City where we live and it can really speed things up.

[00:19:37] So I have to like counteract all the time. Right. You have to go time slower because you had green tea and whatever else.

[00:19:44] So, yeah.

[00:19:45] So another thing I wanted to kind of kind of tease out of this, because I think it's something that really hit me hard or at least, you know, I was very aware of doing the work that we did together.

[00:19:55] Is this idea of, you know, as you know, using using the voice to, you know, on on kind of stage and kind of this presentation mode and then this idea of using the voice more of day to day business mode down to interpersonal mode and then even down to yourself just how you use your voice with yourself, how what are what are the some of the things that we can be more aware of.

[00:20:20] In terms of our boys and the use of the boys, that they begin to deepen our understanding or deepen our awareness of how the voice impacts those things.

[00:20:29] Yeah, that's awesome. Well, it's interesting. But for most of us, we always have a voice. We're not always, always audible, but most think in language.

[00:20:40] We start to listen. There's a least usually one monologue that we're actually using the voice all the time. And even when we start to shift that voice, I mean, that's probably one of the more difficult voices to actually train. So are our voices constantly supporting the state of our reality? And I just heard somewhere today, like 80 percent of our reality comes from our mindset and our perspective. Like 20 percent is actually from what's happening outside. Obviously, for people when they think voice coach, I get this a lot, but I have the worst voice. I don't sing. We're like, oh, yeah, I want to do that for karaoke. I'm like somebody, you know, at the same time, I'm like, come, whoever you are, whatever brings you through the door. But yeah, because to me, I don't believe that there's any such thing as a bad singer.

[00:21:34] I have never met somebody who could not sing and who could not eventually find pitch.

[00:21:40] And I'm not always working on pitch. Like if someone comes to me, it's very specific to their needs. Sometimes it's totally ameliorated and they're working toward through like a a very classic diagnosis like DeFazio or they can't swallow or they swallow to matter. And sometimes it's working with somebody who's moving through grief. And then another time it's somebody who's about to deliver a talker. You know, five gram, five people. I know people. Yeah. So there's always different incentives that people have to work on their voice. But so the thing is, is that obviously when we're speaking publicly, we want to have certain tools in place to be able to deliver our expression. And then at the same time, our vocal tone, how we communicate, how effectively we can get our point across all these things. Super impact, the efficacy of of our work individually, collectively, inside of a company. So I think it's really helpful when I've done workshops with whole organizations like a half day workshop even to just say, okay, like, what is your voice? It's not just another appendage. What how can we reframe it as a way that we're listening to ourselves as we were feeling into our body? How can we use it to learn to take care of ourselves better and each other better? What kind of like. And then just to get people to explore what the differences when they speak to their colleague in a certain way versus like another tone, how it feels in their body, how aware they are of their own voice. Because last piece on that is that when we speak our diaphragm, when we're exhaling, it naturally kind of balloons up. And that's why on some level and we have no like nerves that we can feel there that connect to our internal organs, we're not able to feel the diaphragm itself. We can feel like other parts of our body.

[00:23:26] There's just like real easy way when we speak to start sort of feel like ungrounded and like like we lose our sense of center when we speak and the anatomical.

[00:23:36] So learning how to like use a voice to feel more present, I think I think it's just a really important tool. And then it sort of encompasses breath awareness. So helpful for companies in that capacity.

[00:23:51] Any good experiences, stories in terms of just kind of transformations you see and or people that you've worked with that have really tapped into something or of Bill and make a dramatic shift. I'm just kind of curious about when you work for folks and they're kind of going through the process. What are the types of changes that end up happening or types of realizations or awareness that gets built?

[00:24:12] Oh, my God. I mean, crazy.

[00:24:15] I feel like every day I get chills doing this. I mean, there was like one man who told me that doing this works. He said saved his marriage. And he lost like he just got more in his bodies that he became. It was much easier for him to achieve some of the dietary goals he had. It's really interesting. Like a lot of times, self sabotaging behavior is is shifted a lot out of doing voice work. This is a lot of like kind of help held up tension in the body.

[00:24:47] So, so many things come out of that. And then on like a more common kind of level, I I see people a lot. Absolutely. Do 180 of their mindset. I come in just really stressed or in physical pain. And through both of those things from my chronic neck tightness or injury, feeling weak, weepy. I mean, some people are obviously like more specific in what they want to work on and aren't coming in in such a deeply therapeutic, transformative sense. But I think that regardless of how. I think that the experience ends up being really physiological because there's no way for us to use our voice effectively without transforming something.

[00:25:28] So even for me, when I teach, it's like I've had, you know, like every person on the job, I've had moments where I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so tired today or whatever. And by the end of the session, I'm like, yes. And the crazy thing is, is that it's not only because we're drawing on sound or drawing on, you know, yogic kind of movement, because the voice axis is creativity. Yeah. It moves that primal power that we have in our body. And it allows us to like, remember, refine and recognize like our core center. I'm like, oh, there. Here's where I am now.

[00:26:05] So I think, you know, and then there, of course, are like people who come because they can't speak to their boss and present their piece comfortably. And in that kind of situation, we learn how to how to understand like literally relating to the environment. Where do you put your hands? How do you feel space around you? How can you keep your spine feeling like it's connected to the area behind us? Like, how do we feel our body more in space? How do we stand comfortably when we're looked at? I mean, it's amazing. But as you know, probably read this statistic. The fear of speaking is like the first or this.

[00:26:41] It is. Yeah. So it's I think it's right after a root canal or something like that.

[00:26:44] Or a major car accident. Stark's brain. It's before a root canal.

[00:26:50] So what are a couple of things that give our audience an exercise or two or something they can do that that will help them kind of tap into some of those, you know, sense, sense that's a little more physically.

[00:27:01] Yeah. Good one. OK. Good.

[00:27:04] So something that everybody can do right now is we can we can play what's called a vocal in support of breath. So a lot of times you just check into where your breath is right now. And if you're in front of a mirror even better or your screen and you can see yourself and just take a breath in through the mouth or the nose knows what happens to your shoulders.

[00:27:20] Notice if they stay level or if they come up a little bit. Notice if when you take your breath, you get longer, narrower, more upright. What happens to the small of your back when you take your breath in and out, then take a couple breaths just like that, allowing maybe your breath to become a little bit more.

[00:27:37] Even so, your inhalation maybe slows down or speeds up or whatever it needs to do in order to meet your exhalation likely slow down and then you can even create a little bit of a pause at the top and the bottom of the breath.

[00:27:48] Now, what I'd like you to do is bring your hands onto your shoulders and as you inhale, try to not let your shoulders lift at all, but instead let the small of your back get wider. Let your hips feel like you're breathing into your hips and inflating them.

[00:28:05] Feel as though there's like a flotation device around your hips and you're literally breathing into space around you and breathing in and out regularly. You can stay breathing through the nose.

[00:28:16] And then you can drop your hands away from your shoulders and just see if you can kind of get a sense of breathing wide and through this small that that is, though. The skin is sort of porous like fertile soil. And as you breathe, you're kind of watering the body and the body's expanding. The function of the inhalation is to open.

[00:28:33] And the function of the exhalation in this case is to snap your center. So as you exhale, you can kind of move down through the center of your body and even lift your hips up a little from your pelvic floor. I call this like the Statue of Liberty. And so when we kind of have that lift as you breathe regularly and you drop the shoulders back, you've really set up a great voice, supportive sap.

[00:28:59] And you, of course, don't have to stay there frozen because the voice never mandates any kind of frozen position. But broadening the chest, so many of us, literally 80 percent of the issues like we're not feeling inside of the mouth or the back, the tongue and the chest is super constricted, not just from front to back, but like shoulder to shoulder, sort of like we're standing in a crowded elevator all the time that hunched over short shoulder kind of look, that was cool.

[00:29:28] Yeah, I can definitely feel the kind of grounding this kind of kind of strong spine grounding and a kind of the hips and the lower back even just kind of doing the exercise here. Yeah, this is great. I loved it. I know. I love the one you did with me, with the thinking about the space of the air in your mouth. Like I just like I never thought about that. It was like then I couldn't talk quite right for a little while because I keep thinking about the space of the air. But this whole like these things are fascinating kind of ways of being more aware of what's going on with your voice, what's going what's happening in your body that's creating your voice. So that's really interesting stuff.

[00:29:59] There's so many more things. There's so many more that I could think of and just one last little one.

[00:30:05] So if everybody listening just says their first name and let's say my first name is groups that I'm going to feel confident.

[00:30:15] But the continent. Right. The moose is my vowel. Interesting. Which myself included, a lot of people have high siblings. Which means there's a lot of this. And that also has to do with tongue placement, too. But that being said, and there to me, I'm like, I have siblings. So I'm like, bring it on. You can have civilians. But what the interesting piece is, is that most of us are swallowing our bowels when we're speaking publicly at work to anybody, when we're not feeling good, after we say something and we're like, why don't I feel good? Like I said, what I believe a lot of that is that we literally are not allowing the vowels to resonate.

[00:30:58] It doesn't mean I need to speak slowly or with my vowels. Simple. I'm saying, Bruce, I want to give myself just a million millisecond of thought to feel the butt in my mouth and instead of like spitting it out on Bruce and it comes out. And that doesn't even mean speed. I could do it slowly and still. Bruce, it comes outward. I want to bring sound always in toward me. I want to command it. I'm in the groove, undivided. I want to decide how to cut the pie up. I want to be in charge of my expression and embody it. So you can feel that I'm in body. I can feel for a millisecond. Bruce. Bruce, I'm voting. It's your name. But I'm feeling it. Instead of calling it at you, shouting it at you or or giving it away. And we give our language away and we end up feeling kind of empty and deflated. And we're like, why? My content was valuable. I know. I'm it. Why do I feel guilty? And it's actually physical sensation. It's like, eat your language.

[00:31:58] I love it. Leslie, this is great. What if people want to find out more about this and there's lots and lots more. I know. If they want to find more about you, about about therapy, device performance technique, what are some resources? Where can I get more information?

[00:32:11] Yes. Thank you. This has been so fun, by the way. I love talking about this subject, as you can tell. Yes. Oh, yes.

[00:32:19] Probably the best way to find me is to go to a dynamicvoicetraining.com. There you'll see kind of all the different programs that I offer. Also, something I'm really excited about right now is I have a foundation certification course. So anybody in really any field from leadership to H R to yoga teachers to therapists, anyone who is interested in how they can implement vocal awareness into their wellness. So the people that they work with, that's it's a tailor made program. It's super like a five week program that involves really understanding how to command the voice and getting a good foothold on that. So you can find out about that there. Their dynamic voice training dot com and you can reach me via that website at my name. LeslieHelpert@gmail.com. And if anybody mentions their podcast, I'll give them some sort of wonderful discount. So be intact. I'm happy to speak to anybody.

[00:33:20] Excellent. And I'd encourage people if they have a chance to check it out. It's really interesting stuff. I would say as a coach, as someone who works a lot with teams, with individuals on oftentimes sort of difficult or at least matters that really have a lot of motion stuff around them. It's fascinating what I've kind of learned about how I present and how my voice frames things or set things up. So I think if you're in that kind of space, it's really it's really helpful and fascinating, interesting stuff. So I encourage everyone to go check it out. Leslie, this has been a pleasure. I'll make sure all those links are in the show notes so people can click through and get those. Thank you so much for taking the time. I appreciate this. Thanks, Bruce.

[00:33:56] Thank you so much. You're very welcome.

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